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simonitro
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Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:36 pm 

Hey all,

I saw an upcoming show for Sabaton coming to Vancouver alongside Leaves’ Eyes and Battle Beast (this should be a fun show) but then I noticed the tagline ”The Last Tour” and their latest album called The Last Stand”. So, it had be wondering… is the band retiring or something or is this just a cheesy tagline and they’d pop another album at any time in the near future?

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TrueDynamite
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Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:39 pm 

No. The Last Stand is an album about famous last stands throughout history. They’re going to be releasing a new live album here soon.

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Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:48 pm 

I don’t think so, but man, that last album was so bad It made me wish they’d retire

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iRaptr
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:06 am 

TrueDynamite wrote:

No. The Last Stand is an album about famous last stands throughout history. They’re going to be releasing a new live album here soon.

Were did you saw that? :o

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Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:53 pm 

I won’t lie I bump some of their stuff from time to time. I’d a bit upset if they broke up for real.

Not really related but:

Back when I was getting into pm I thought Sabaton was the greatest shit ever. I thought nobody had anything bad to say about them. Turns out they are pretty much the whipping boys of this sub genre. What’s the reason for this disdain?

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Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:59 pm 

IamDBR wrote:

I won’t lie I bump some of their stuff from time to time. I’d a bit upset if they broke up for real.

Not really related but:

Back when I was getting into pm I thought Sabaton was the greatest shit ever. I thought nobody had anything bad to say about them. Turns out they are pretty much the whipping boys of this sub genre. What’s the reason for this disdain?

Because they just have extremely dumb, shallow, vapid songwriting really. I like some of their old stuff but The Last Stand was the worst album of last year as far as I am concerned.

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GTog
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:46 pm 

Good songs here and there, bad albums in general, good live shows. And they tour like madmen, so you’re bound to see them just by accident here or there, because they’ll be on the bill with someone else. A live album might even be worth it.

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Zelkiiro
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:56 pm 

I think he meant where you heard the news about the live album. ;3

But I dunno, I thought The Last Stand was fine for a Sabaton album. It’s got some winners, it’s got some losers, and it’s fun in short doses–nothing out of the ordinary for them.

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Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:50 pm 

I’m going to see them in a few weeks because I’ve been starved for shows so I’ve tried listening to them a bit. I’m a massive power metal fan but they are pretty much the most generic band I’ve ever heard. It’s not really bad, it’s just extremely straightforward and they don’t do anything new or particularly interesting. I’ll still happily see them but their albums just seem kinda pointless.

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TrueDynamite
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Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:30 pm 

I should have stated that I believe they’re going to be releasing a live album, because they posted on Twitter that they are working on something big.

BastardHead – Just a bit of a correction: Carolus Rex isn’t exclusively about Charles XII. It’s basically about the rise and fall of the Swedish Empire.

Also, Sabaton is a terrible band. They copy/paste songs and simply change the lyrics. With that being said, I’m a big Sabaton fan. I originally hated The Last Stand, but it has grown on me. Its clearly their worst album, though.

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Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:29 pm 

IamDBR wrote:

Not really related but:
Back when I was getting into pm I thought Sabaton was the greatest shit ever. I thought nobody had anything bad to say about them. Turns out they are pretty much the whipping boys of this sub genre. What’s the reason for this disdain?

Not sure. To me, garbage like Battle Beast, Dream Evil and Gloryhammer are far worse with their mining of metal cliches as cartoony subject matter. It’s like ’loud’ music for 8 year olds. One step above the theme song for saturday morning cartoons. But it’s a big world and there’s a place for everything. If KISS can exist for 50 years then I guess Sabaton stands a fair chance.

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tahu157
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Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:36 pm 

Ilwhyan wrote:

TrueDynamite wrote:

Also, Sabaton is a terrible band. They copy/paste songs and simply change the lyrics. With that being said, I’m a big Sabaton fan. I originally hated The Last Stand, but it has grown on me. Its clearly their worst album, though.

You think they’re a terrible band, but you’re a big fan. Gotcha.

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Enjoyable music doesn’t mean good music. I’d wager everyone has something that they enjoy that they can recognize as being of low quality. For a lot of people, myself included, Sabaton appears to be one of those things.

Sometimes I consider ”purifying” my listening habits by removing bands like Sabaton and Gloryhammer but I think I’d miss out on a lot of fun by doing that. That said there are some bands I outright refuse to listen to like Battlebeast and Alestorm because they really are just terrible bands with no redeeming qualities.

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:48 pm 

tahu157 wrote:

Ilwhyan wrote:

You think they’re a terrible band, but you’re a big fan. Gotcha.

:scratch:

Enjoyable music doesn’t mean good music. I’d wager everyone has something that they enjoy that they can recognize as being of low quality. For a lot of people, myself included, Sabaton appears to be one of those things.

I find that hard to relate to. I recognise that not everything I like is high art, but it’s quality entertainment to me. Everything I like, I consider to be good.

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:49 pm 

Tahu summed it up nicely. It’s great to have some music that I can throw on and sing along to without much thought. I’ll clarify: Sabaton is a good band for what they are. The thing that bothers me about Sabaton is the fact that they have flashes of brilliance, but never capitalize on them.

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:08 pm 

Ilwhyan wrote:

I find that hard to relate to. I recognise that not everything I like is high art, but it’s quality entertainment to me. Everything I like, I consider to be good.

Yeah, I can’t get on board with the guilty pleasure thing. If you like something, there’s usually a reason why and you can probably explain it without going ’I realize this is bad, but…’.

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Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:55 pm 

I gotta give Sabaton credit for being a great live band even if I don’t care to listen to their music outside of that situation generally. They definitely stop at nothing to be entertaining and I think that’s probably a large part of why they’ve sustained such success, particularly since you don’t really hear anyone singing the praises of their albums that loudly as far as I can tell.

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Norrmania
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Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:51 pm 

Empyreal wrote:

Ilwhyan wrote:

I find that hard to relate to. I recognise that not everything I like is high art, but it’s quality entertainment to me. Everything I like, I consider to be good.

Yeah, I can’t get on board with the guilty pleasure thing. If you like something, there’s usually a reason why and you can probably explain it without going ’I realize this is bad, but…’.

Personally I can understand the mentality. I’m the same with stuff like Wintersun, Korpiklaani, Finntroll and some others of that brand of Finnish melodeath/folk metal spawned from the same root. Its kind of funny because a lot of people seem in rage mode because the new Wintersun album is who knows where. For me I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Wintersun and the like are the types of bands that you don’t need an overload of albums for or that there’s no need to wait on the edge of your seat for, but one or two albums will do for whenever you happen to get a particular song stuck in your head or whenever the mood falls. Lots of people dislike or hate those bands, and while I can certainly understand why that is they’re also able to scratch a particular itch I get every once in a while. I don’t think there’s anything wrong or illogical with being able to say that yes I understand why people dislike or hate those bands and agree that something isn’t particularly good quality music while also being something I can enjoy from time to time simply because its just kind of catchy, happy, light stuff. I’m not sure there’s much more to explain than that. I think the concept of a ”guilty pleasure” is just about bands that don’t fit with one’s typical listening habits, that tend to be low quality poppy stuff, but that one can occasionally find fitting for the mood/enjoyable.

I can see how that’s the case with Sabaton for some folks too. Honestly my exposure to Sabaton is pretty limited. But from the recent stuff I’ve heard if you stripped away the synths there’d be hardly anything left and barely a riff in sight. But because of those cotton candy, sugary synths/orchestration I can see how it scratches that ”catchy, happy, light and fluffy” itch for those folks.

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Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:19 pm 

I don’t know if you can call a lot of Sabaton ’happy music’ since their last album had their ’first’ song written in major key. The Scottish one. Oh, it was awful.

Though a doom metal album from Sabaton about the Bataan Death March might be a downer.

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Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:17 am 

Empyreal wrote:

Ilwhyan wrote:

I find that hard to relate to. I recognise that not everything I like is high art, but it’s quality entertainment to me. Everything I like, I consider to be good.

Yeah, I can’t get on board with the guilty pleasure thing. If you like something, there’s usually a reason why and you can probably explain it without going ’I realize this is bad, but…’.

Remember that crabcore band named Attack Attack! They had auto-tune all over their music and bad electronic thrown in with their chugging breakdowns. They had this song titled Stick Stickly. It’s horrible and it has every flaw and every single mallcore cliché imaginable, but I still like it. Not in a ”it’s really great” kind of way, but cause it’s hysterical, totally mind-numbing and stupid. It’s so bad it’s good.

I wouldn’t say Sabaton are so good they’re bad, though. I get what’s interesting about them, but the hype is way too intense. These guys aren’t improving and they keep recycling their stuff and applying the same cheap formula over and over again. So they’re not horrible in any way, but all the metal newbies who put them on a pedestal really are over-hyping them.

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KalinaF
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:44 pm 

Even if Sabaton does recycle their material, it isn’t terrible material by any means. I’ve listened to a good amount of their stuff (mostly because it shows up on my Pandora quite a bit), and while most of it isn’t painful to listen to or anything, it’s not anything I’d want to listen to again for the most part. S of their music, though, especially their tribute songs, I’ve always found a bit over the top. Even still, I’m able to find one or two songs from them that I enjoy. I wouldn’t say Sabaton is a great power metal band, but there’s some music there that’s to be appreciated. Then again, my tolerance for weak-ass power metal is growing lower with each passing day, so my opinion on them might change in the future.

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